Not so fast
No Excuse for Bad
Behavior - Time for Steelpan Men to Grow up
When Steel Talks (WST) has traveled all over the
world visiting panyards and pan folks. Our
experiences have generally been outstanding.
Everyone, from the giants (Greenidge, Holman,
‘Smooth’, Bradley, Samaroo, Goddard, Birch,
Boogsie, Blake, Narell, and others) in pan, to
the latest newcomers, have shown us nothing but
respect and love. It is this love, and spirit of
community, that fuel us.
The worst experience for any personnel of When
Steel Talks took place this summer in the
panyard of New York’s Harmony Steel Orchestra. A
well-known steelpan personality associated with
Harmony either lost his mind, or entered into an
altered state... and proceeded to verbally abuse
a WST staff member without any cause.
This incident showed that there still remains a
fading remnant of the steelpan community that
still believes they can define their manhood -
or lack thereof - by disrespecting, bullying or
It was a classless, cowardly, and unprofessional
display, and overall a spiritually disheartening
panyard visit. The experience does not effect us
- WST is judged by our history and work. However
we would like to know how a youth-oriented
organization like Harmony explains away this
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for Bad Behavior - Time for Steelpan Men
to Grow up
|This is even
worse than I first imagined, you mean to
tell me that we have, not one but two
abusive men out there in the pan
community?! To make matters worse, I've
been told that I know the lovely lady
that was abused...
What's wrong with these men? I'm really
suprised that Ken would do something
like that, but what do I know...there's
just no excuse for it and I'm really
glad I wasn't there in person to witness
it. I can tell you this...in the eleven
years that I ran a band, nothing like
that ever happened and if someone tried,
he would be shown the door because I
will not tolerate that kind of behavior.
No band leader should accept that
behavior from anyone in their bands, no
matter who the person is, especially
when you're dealing with a band that is
primarily composed of youths...
what are we teaching the young men of
this band by letting something like this
go unchallenged? For those men reading
this, listen to me....
Respect our women, we don't always agree
with our women and that's normal, just
respect our women because they deserve
to be treated right; they are not to be
treated like dirt under your shoes!!
To the leader of Harmony, call a meeting
with the band (if you haven't already
done so) and apologize, not just for
Ken's behavior, but also for your
failure to act to protect one of our
women. I can't tell you what to do, but
I would use a different arranger next
year and I like Ken, but it would be a
case of wisdom, not a lack of
What I would like to see done in the
future is a "Code of Conduct" for all
steelbands the outlines what is
acceptable or unacceptable behavior for
the bands and what the penalites are for
breaking those rules; like being banned
from all the bands ...not just one band.
When someone accuses someone else of
trying to profit from their works...they
usually have a plank in their own eye
that needs to be removed and that is the
Professor is a second cousin to me. I am
not surprised as Ken has an ego problem
which he needs to work on and is
beginning to keep him back in his pan
career. People are beginning to dislike
him for this. Actually Ken's mother past
on last night, so I will see him at the
funeral and of course he would be in a
state of anxiety, so I will not ask him
any thing of this matter. However I will
speak to him some time later. Ken cries
quickly and also apologises quickly too.
He has some baggage poor fella. He has a
short fuse (temper).
It seems therefore in both cases the ego
problem of being a leader (Pierre and
Ken) is the real cause. That's why a cut
arse sometimes helps to break the ego
down. But dont worry, every one will
eventually pay some day for their ego
problems. Boogsie has done a lot of
cooling down on his ego problem, which
was dealt with in several ways in his
life including thieves entering his
home, illness, death of some of his
close friends recently. He lost three
the other day, and some other incidences
in his life. Still there is some ego
which some careless friends build up in
these band leaders. It's a leader
problem. They pump up these leaders ego
and their ego needs to burst sometimes.
But if they dont learn the easy way,
they will learn the hard way one day.
They are both guilty. Both stories are
very, very true. You are looking at two
different incidents. In both cases I
fully endorse Sidd's solution. Mr.
Pierre and Philmore should be doing some
serious apologizing. They both need
help. I've been told that Philmore does
feel very sorry for what he did but that
is no excuse. His remorse is probably
more because so many people have gone
after him. His behavior was bazaar to
say the least. Harmony should have put
Philmore out their yard. Winning isn't
everything. As for Mr. Pierre, he seems
to have a long history of bad behavior.
very wrong here and that's the problem
who is the coward that commited this
revolting act of abuse? Was it Mr.
Pierre, Philmore or someone else? Can we
hear from someone who was actually
Someone needs to set the record straight
because one of these men (or both) is
obviously innocent and needs to hear an
heard of this incident before it made
its way to this message board.. let me
just say that I was not present at the
time of this incident but from whom I
was related the story is a reputable
person in the pan fraternity and has no
reason to spread senseless rumors...with
that said, the alleged person in
question I'm sorry to say is Ken
"Professor" Philmore, he allegedly
confronted a female WST representative
with accusations of WST using the
internet to profit from his
What an ass!!!
|It's s shame
in 2008 that we still have to deal with
idiots like this man. I agree with those
who said he should have been dealt with
on the spot, if not by throwing the
obvious embarrassment back on him with a
good cussin, but to show the young
people who are there that this type of
behavior is not tolerated and anytime.
He needs to be banned from the Pan
community until he can apologize to the
young lady, the entire panyard as well
as the entire pan community. It seems
like this guy has been getting away with
this type of behavior for sometime, I'm
wondering why someone (especially a
woman) has'nt put a good hard slap in
his mouth before, In my circles, it
would not have been his mouth I would be
aiming for, all I can say is...He's a
lucky man (so far), but I think his luck
just ran out.......
surprised and disappointed that Mike or
someone else from Harmony didn't step in
and reprimand who ever this idiot is.
Pan doesn't need this.
the other men around such a "man ne
coo". In the days of old while in a band
or pan yard he would have been beaten
badly in front of the woman and made to
apologise there and then. Its also wrong
to associate the pan community with this
type of behaviour towards a woman or
women. Pan men use to fight men over
women. Never pan men fighting a woman.
At least not in a pan yard or public for
other pan men to see, not unless he was
willing to get some cuffs or some blade.
So this man should have been beaten by
the other men in the yard in front of
the woman and made to apologise to her
in front of everyone. Most of the time
thats all it takes to cure a man who
disrespects a woman or beats her. He
never really got a "cut arse" from a
group of males for such behaviour. Dont
kill him just beat him badly. He would
always remember that cut arse and think
twice before he does it again. Some
fellas should still beat him for this.
Thats the cure for a "man ne coo".
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